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jhess

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cchagros wrote:

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likeorangebikes wrote:

If you want a dead reliable , get you from point a to point b for 20 years with minimal work and downtime. The old Honda 300 4x4 would be hard to beat. That being said, I,m not a large Honda fan, based soley on the value per dollar any more. a Honda ATV is not a value compared to the other machines on the market.. At one time, you could weigh the dependability issue, stating, that over the long term, youd spend less money on upkeep and repairs, But thats not the case anymore. When other machines offer more features, better suspension, more power, etc... (all in a relevant term) Its discouraging to see the price so high on the Honda. On the other hand, They are selling thme at that price, in the face of competitors who offer more, so that says something in its self also.

BUT.. While I had bad mouthed the Rincon pretty much since its introduction, It wasnt until a year ago that I really got some serious seat time on one, I came away impressed. for its INTENDED purpose (minus rock crawling, heavy hauling and thick mud)I think its a home run. Its got good power, handles like a dream, and the suspension is among the best in class. Its definitley one of those, "ride all day" quads.

Yamaha , suzuki and kawasaki have all been pretty even over the past several years. Sure there will be some of you who will swear a Yamaha will outlast the suzuki, vice versa, and so on.. Of course then there will be the folks who swear that every Kawasaki they have ever seen go into the woods has come out on its own power and everything that followed it had to be towed. Thats all Bull****, and any of us that has been riding for more than 10 years knows it. Any machine, can and will break at any given time.
Man, these ATVS have come so far in terms of performance, comfort and reliability in the past 10 years, hell in the last 4 years, that its hard to pick a losing manufacturer, or a winning manufacturer.
IT seems the general Sentiment among this board ( or most others for that matter)is that the sole ownership of last place in reliability ratings is polaris. I have owned several Polaris ATVS since 1996, Starting with a 2-stroke 300 xplorer. I will say that Quality was******back then. Was it reliable? Yes Extremely so, after 3 years of mud and water up to the racks, pulling trucks, and hay wagons, and rock crawling, I replaced 2 belts. On the other hand, all the other******was loose, tie-rod ends would loosen after onlly 2 weeks, steering bushings (yes busings, not bearing!)would never tighten, and swingarm bearing, Well, what bearings. So,o I feel that quality was severly lacking, but it never left me stranded. Over the years I have had nothing but good luck from polaris, which leads me to my next comment, which we aalready know. Reliability is based on a persons perception of quality.
Based on my experience, Polaris would run near the top, while based on cc,s or others it may run near the bottom.
We also tend to form opinions based on the favorite manufacturer. FOr example, If I dont like Yamaha, and see a Grizz with a broken belt, Then its unreliable. On the other hand, If I Love yamaha, and My grizz just broke a belt, then its just a maintenance issue that doesnt effect reliability. Those who tend to blindly follow a single manufacturer, are often blind to its shortcomings, and deaf to a competitors praises. Its hard to break away from that cycle when you have been on a single manufacturer for life. You dont really want to test the waters with another machine. Then again, if YOUR happy and content with what you ride, then your already on the best machine for you, then these reliabiliy questionairres dont really mean S*** then do they?
Huh!???


Command of the english language confuse you jhess?
...CCHag! Whats your point?


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Hey,likesorengebikes you hit it on the head with that last post.I think what you said made alot of sense.when you have a bike that you like why go with anything else. All i'v owned is my Honda 250ex. I think how good you can ride says alot about what you need on an ATV. My Honda is stock nothing extra but i seem to find my way around just fine. Anyway after your last post i may have to look at other brands next time im in the market.

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It is evident that all atv's today can do well over its first two to three years, as in the case of automobiles. I am not a Dodge/Chrysler fan because of quality concerns, but they seem to do well until the 3 years are up, and than they start having problems. ATV's are abused moreso than cars, so the life expectancy is even shorter, and will show issues sooner. Most of us do not have the discretionary income to buy an atv and trade it in after two years; we tend to keep it for awhile. We like to have the expectation that if we go out to an atv destination of a lifetime, that our machine will perform well and have no problems. After three years of ownership the odds of it letting us down gets greater, and can possible spoil a trip by breaking down on a weekend or far from home. You stay at the camp while everyone else rides. This is when reliability is most important. Here is where I think certain brands have done well in building a reputation. In todays market, reliability is as important as the features a machine may offer, and that likesorangebikes is why people will buy a Honda with fewer features because of their quality and reliability reputation. I have now owned my Rincon and Foreman for over three years and still have complete confidence in their working well on my atv trips. When we are talking about five or more years of ownership of atv's, maintenance is so importance in keeping our machines running. It will than be a reflection of our stewardship of the machine to keep it in top shape. Someday we may want to sell it, and its condition will determine the resail value. Again, certain brands will wear better than others over time, and certain ones quickly come to mind.

* This post was edited 07/18/09 05:33am by Rincon-newby *

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likeorangebikes makes a good point, in that our prejudices influence our perception of durable and not durable. During 10 years in a family oriented
atv club, I towed dozens of broken Polaris quads out of the woods. This has greatly affected my view of Polaris, and I see them as unreliable, regardless of their current status. On the other hand, my little TRX200 and the TRX300 never broke down once in that time, and I see them as very reliable. Mainly because they were, of course.



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I don't think the atvs being built now are as sturdy and tough as the ones made in the '80s and '90s..I put the Old Honda Foreman at the top of the chain,with the Suzuki KQ 300 next(ground clearance) in line.Tough tough machines,even when used in a commercial situation,which we used them in.

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Who cares, just ride.

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nictim wrote:

Hey,likesorengebikes you hit it on the head with that last post.I think what you said made alot of sense.when you have a bike that you like why go with anything else. All i'v owned is my Honda 250ex. I think how good you can ride says alot about what you need on an ATV. My Honda is stock nothing extra but i seem to find my way around just fine. Anyway after your last post i may have to look at other brands next time im in the market.


I had a 250ex and I can say that thing was solid as a rock. Never ever had a problem with it, started up every time and can keep up with anything on the trails.


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One of the reasons the newer ones don't seem to last longer is we now have a choice of more power mods,bigger tires,and snorkels on 4x4s. And the newer 4-strokes "mainly 450s" are coming from the factory with higher compressions and hotter cams, making way more power but losing the reliability that 4 strokes are known for. Back in the 80's and 90's we didn't have 27,28,29,30,etc inch tires that put more wear and tear on our rides.The designs are better and engines are mostly more reliable. But you got to think, did you see any of them foreman 300's or kingquads with big lifts,big tires,snorkeled and always being put through hell? Anyway like over 30 said "who cares, just ride". Ride what you like,they have many different sizes and brands for a reason. Ride what you like and not worry what someone else thinks is better.

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Plumb: I had a Rincon just like yours,except my tranny was the problem and why I sold it. I am by no means a proponent of belt drive(I had a BMW R1200C),but for what ever reason,mine didn't want to move very well in cold weather. Dealer said I wasn't waiting long enough for the oil to heat up.I did not like the fact that the engine oil also was the tranny oil.
So it really wasn't a faulty transmission at all, but you being perhap ignorant on how to get it to operate best for whatever the conditions. This has been discussed before while you were under a different moniker. The Rincon has a torque converter transmission which works on the same principle as a high performance tranny on a Camaro or Mustang. I think it has the sportiest feel of any utility calling itself a sport utility. This transmission gives the Rincon the highest fun factor of its type. Whether to operate in auto, or to use the electric shift method gives it far more versatility that the CVT trannies used on all other big bore utes. And mine has now given me three plus years of faultless service and is definitely earning a reputation of reliability. I would like to the Rincon modified by Honda to be more like the Renegade, with a juiced up engine and the same transmission but with 4 speeds and a seriously upgraded suspension.

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jhess wrote:

I don't think the atvs being built now are as sturdy and tough as the ones made in the '80s and '90s..I put the Old Honda Foreman at the top of the chain,with the Suzuki KQ 300 next(ground clearance) in line.Tough tough machines,even when used in a commercial situation,which we used them in.
I would put the 05 Foreman 500 that I have as one of the toughest I've experienced, so I do not think I have to go back 19 to 29 years to find a tough/sturdy atv.

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