robrob25
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what sucks about buying TVs is that they're like buying cars and quads. You get one, then in a couple months they come out with a better one making the one you just bought depreciate in value and then wanting the newer model.
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robrob25
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I'd have to disagree that the plasmas are better performers. It is pretty close but i think LCDs come out on top. Yes they both have their ups and downs, and i have read arguments for both sides, but if you look at price vs performance lcd comes out on top.
and burn-in is one of the most annoying things in the world, which plasma just can't seem to get rid of 100% on the lower price range models.
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my buddy has a Samsung and a Sony Bravia, hgonestly i like the Bravia better, the colour seems much better
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THEMAN
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robrob25 wrote:I'd have to disagree that the plasmas are better performers. It is pretty close but i think LCDs come out on top. Yes they both have their ups and downs, and i have read arguments for both sides, but if you look at price vs performance lcd comes out on top.
and burn-in is one of the most annoying things in the world, which plasma just can't seem to get rid of 100% on the lower price range models.
You can't disagree. It's a fact that plasma performs better than LCD for the very reasons I mentioned. It's all in the measurements. Now price vs. performance is another topic. But, for performance LCD does not trump plasma. Sure plasma is typically more expensive. There is not a better performing TV on the market than the Pioneer Kuro which is a plasma. Now to be fair not all set with the same technology perform the same, plasma vs. plasma, lcd vs. lcd. That does narrow the margin with a poor performing plasma vs. a well performing lcd. Sadly, though, the LCD still loses.
Burn-in is an issue with plasma, yes. It's also an issue with CRT, but to date no tv outperforms a CRT set with black levels. The Pioneer Kuro, may be the only exception, however. I play xbox 360 on my CRT Mitsubishi for hours on end and have never ever had a burn in issue. The issue really isn't an issue unless someone leaves the same image on the screen for hours and hours. IMO, if you're dumb enough to do that, then you deserve to have the image burned into the screen.  However, you can leave the image on an LCD and not have this issue. I guess that is a plus?
You guys that are judging pictures on these different sets, are you doing this off hte showroom floor or sets that people have bought and put in their house without calibration OR are you judging these sets after a proper and/or professional ISF calibration? Any tv not properly calibrated or at least done as best you can with video patterns like pluge, ect, are not judging the sets properly or accurately. Anyone and everyone that spends the cash on a nice tv owes it to themselves and to the tv to spend $20 on a set up disk like Digital Video Essentials and properly set up the tv best you can with the user adjustable controls. Gray scale is where the most change will be done, but you need expensive equipment and knowledge of the service menu to do that. OR..hire an ISF calibrator to do it for you.
Little FYI not many people not in the business know - TV settings are set up from the factory to look best on the showroom floor, not in your living room or to even to have an accurate picture. This way any tv can be pulled out of the box and put up on display to try and look the best on the floor. This is often called "torch mode" by those in the biz. They do this by increasing the brightness of the set by maxing out, or close to, the contrast. This is a tv killer. Having your contrast up to high over drives the set and will significantly reduce the output over time. They also do color tricks such as over saturate red. When you see a tv on the floor that is brighter and red stands out more, it makes you think it has the best picture. The problem is the picture is not even close to being accurate and the the set is actually set up from the FACTORY to be over driven and reduce the life of the set.
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Just for fun, here's my HT:
Equip:
Denon 3806 pre/pro only
Aragon 8008x3 LCR
Aragon 2007 surrounds
Toshiba HD-D3 HD DVD player
Monser Power HTS 5100 MKII power conditioner
Mitsubishi 55" HDTV CRT
HR20 HD DVR Satellite receiver
Straightwire Symphony II interconnects
Jamo C809 dark apple mains
Jamo C80 CEN dark apple center channel
Jamo C80 SUR dark apple dipole side surrounds
Jamo C603 dark apple rear surrounds
Klipsch RT-10d subwoofer
Klipsch RSW-15 subwoofer (room corrected by RT-10d)
Xbox 360 (tag: Scramblin Man06)
Harmony 880 remote
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edited 12/02/08 11:40am by THEMAN *
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robrob25
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burn-in is an issue on some plasma's if you leave a static image on for like 5 minutes. The samsung plasma my buddy bought has this problem with the guide function even if he's just channel surfing for a couple minutes. it go's away in a couple minutes but it still is an issue. I'd take an lcd over that even though his contrast ratio is higher.
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That's not burn-in, that's ghosting. Big difference. Usually that is only a problem on certain sets for the 1st 100 hours or so. That's why the "anti-burn" settings should be used in the 1st 100 hours or so.
It's also a sign the tv has not be calibrated or adjusted properly. As I described above, I would be willing to be the contrast on that TV is higher than 50%.
We have 2 Samsung plasmas here at work and none of the ghost and we have yet to burn an image into any one of our plasmas. Like a said, be smart about it and it's really not an issue.
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Damn I have been gone for months and I come back and the first post I have to thanks TheSheMAN for the advise!!!!!!!
Nice looking set up you have.
Thanks for the input Im getting ready to pull the trigger on a new tv the room its going into has tons of light (2 sliding class doors on the sunny side of the house and two skylights) so im thinking with going LCD Im setting 8 to 9 feet away and it will be wall mounted.
Wanting to spend up to $2200.
Would you recommend something?
I had a Vizio (plasma) but I didnt care for it
I also tried some Protron cheapy its been ok for the money
Do you know the deal with DLP is?
I have been doing some research on them because of price and I beleive they are improving with the led lights in them but it seems people shy away from them
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Zigafool, wassup?!
For that kind of lighting condition you'll want a bright tv. Plasma is likely going to be your best bet. For $2300 MSRP the 50" Panasonic Viera TH-50PZ85U is a great set. Can prob find it a little under your price point on sale. Got great reviews in the Oct 2008 Home Theater test. 50" is a good size for the distance you'll be sitting. For the money, you'll be hard pressed to find a better performing TV. It's up there with the Pio Kuro. Not quite there, but close.
As far as DLP, right now you can't get a better deal. I saw at a local store a 73" Mitsubishi for $1699 on Black Friday. Killer set at a KILLER price. Now the downside to dlp is the color wheel and hte bulb. Some can see rainbow effects from the color wheel and the bulb will need to be replaced every couple of years or so at $300 a pop. I also keep hearing that DLP technology is going away. People want flat screens. LED DLP technology and other versions of DLP look promising, but they aren't cheap and the technology isn't proven nor perfected yet. IMO, I'd grab a DLP. Can't touch the screen size for price right now. They do have a little more maintenance with the bulb and not quite as brights as plasma or LCD and doesn't have quite the viewing angle of plasma. However, if you can somewhat control the light in the room or just live with it, there isn't a better deal right now. WIll DLP go away soon? I dunno..
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robrob25
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I forgot to compliment your home theater, THEMAN. Its very nice and i like the piggyback subs. You just need to go pick a blue-ray player and junk that hd-dvd player. i just picked up the sony one for 200 on friday.
It would look really good with a nice big LCD screen in there.
just kiddin.
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