Rincon-newby
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snake oil wrote:I found a site that is selling power steering units for Yamaha Rhinos,(895.00)I couldn't find one for the Grizz.Honda says their the first with power steering,that they have had it for twenty tears but have not used it until now.
If you may notice, the Rhino will follow the Grizzly in its evolution. The first Rhino came out after the Grizzly 660 was on the market a couple of years. The Grizzly motor was first used on the 660 Rapter. Than the Rapter was upgraded to a 700cc and EFI, and the next year the Grizzly was updated with the 700cc EFI, and the year after that the Rhino was upgraded to the 700cc EFI. As of 07 the Grizzly was fitted with an electric PS unit, and the year following the Rhino followed suit. Do you see the trend here? I read about Honda's power steering before Yamaha announced their PS unit. The Polaris you talked about that will have PS is also mated with an engine that will have EFI and an ECU.
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So what does Honda follow? Will they follow with their "Big Red"?
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snake oil wrote:So what does Honda follow? Will they follow with their "Big Red"?
What do you think? Honda will take something they see new on the market, such as IRS sport quad(Polaris original), and improve on it greatly. They are not necessarily unoriginal, but since the 3 wheeler days, they see how other manufacturers inovations do on the market before they present theirs. Plus Honda quality assures their product to heck before releasing it to the market. Brpbear(123Kawi) asked if Honda was ever come out with power. It seems to me that all of their machines have the power according to cc class to perform well. They shy away from excessive power though. To think that Honda cannot come out with a machine that is a power monster is a miscalculation. The TRX 450 is an example of making a power machine. We'll see what the 09 model lineup brings!!!
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In my opinion,the Honda foreman was their best machine for endurance,and power to weight ratio.I am not impressed by their new rides. Its like their lagging behind on offering new stuff.The new "Big Red" is a prime example.AS for as reliability,most of the Jap bikes or very good. Polaris is as advanced as any make,but the build quality is suspect.I use my KQ for woods riding,and while I will admit its not my favorite like my old 300,it is well advanced over the Honda,in the same year model.Suzuki builds some great stuff for outdoors.The little "Samurai" proves that point.Our camp has 12 members and we have two hondas and eight of the others(Suzuki,Yamaha and no Polaris)My gripe with Honda is, they c ould build some real innovative stuff,but they seem to refuse to do so.Honda is company that needs to look at the mgnt team,and decide if they want to be in the 21st century.I know I;ll catch flack about this issue,but look how long it took them to come out with the Rincon,and it had tranny issues.At least mine did.
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snake oil wrote:In my opinion,the Honda foreman was their best machine for endurance,and power to weight ratio.I am not impressed by their new rides. Its like their lagging behind on offering new stuff.The new "Big Red" is a prime example.AS for as reliability,most of the Jap bikes or very good. Polaris is as advanced as any make,but the build quality is suspect.I use my KQ for woods riding,and while I will admit its not my favorite like my old 300,it is well advanced over the Honda,in the same year model.Suzuki builds some great stuff for outdoors.The little "Samurai" proves that point.Our camp has 12 members and we have two hondas and eight of the others(Suzuki,Yamaha and no Polaris)My gripe with Honda is, they c ould build some real innovative stuff,but they seem to refuse to do so.Honda is company that needs to look at the mgnt team,and decide if they want to be in the 21st century.I know I;ll catch flack about this issue,but look how long it took them to come out with the Rincon,and it had tranny issues.At least mine did.
Honda Corp. has been true to the vision that Mr Shahiro Honda set for the company while he was still alive. Give the public the best product period. Honda will not release a product until it has surpassed Honda's own quality assurance standards, consistently. If you may notice on the autos, there is not all the bells and whistles electronic stuff that other manufacturers put on their vehicles. They cannot vouch for the stuff in their long term quality view. Is that being uninnovative? Or just find it something that is counter to good quality. Name some things you see Honda not being innovative on, and we'll carry the conversation from there.
If you have done any news perusing lately, you would have seen that Honda was the only automaker that showed profit this last quarter. Not only did it show a profit, but record profits from its auto sales. Why do you ask? Because soo many see Honda as the leader in quality in its automobiles. Great track record you know. Same with their other line of products too. Boat motors, motorcyles, jets, PWCs, and atvs. You speak poorly of the Rincon transmission, but I have noted that several ATV mags have continued to speak nothing but praise for its innovative design, function, and performance delivery. The most recent Dirt wheels has another article on the Rincon, and again they spoke very highly of its impecable operation and handling. It mentioned it is not the fastest or displayed the most power, but its power was used most effectively for its design purpose. Honda innovation right there. Honda was one of the first to put FI on their big bore atv, and came out with their Power Steering when Yamaha did the Grizzly's. Honda has displayed numerous innovations in the TRX700XX that I think will change how most will view IRS Sport quads. To say that Honda is not innovative is to have buried your head in the sand and just didn't look.
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Rincon-newby wrote:After having ridden trails in Arkansas and in Missouri, mostly the baddest Black Diamonds we could find, I would have to say that I am now a proponent of adding Power Steering to a Utility quad. Four days of riding on steep up and down trails that require constant fighting of the handle bars to ride the right line, and while in 4x4 battling the torque steer. My shoulders were hurting, and my throttle thumb was beyond just simple pain. Still couldn't get enough tough trail riding. Many of it was very challenging, and you had to trust your machine that it would get you through the dangerous stuff. My older brother had bought the new Grizzly 700, but without the power steering added ($800 option), and did not like trail riding with it in 4x4. The Grizzly really is a handful to operate when in 4x4, and when locked, forget it. So he operated in 2 wheel drive and had to be super aggressive on his approach to all difficult climbs. One time it almost caused him to fall backward, end over end down a steep incline that would have been disastrous. By the grace of God. My younger brother and I kept telling him to get the grizzly with PS, but he was too cheap to get it. The Rincon was the easiest to handle in 4x4, but after four days of constant effort, even it was too much. Power steering has definitely grown in my estimation.
The Grizzly 700 with Power Steering ROCKS. I here the 550 now has it as an option also.
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I have owned many Hondas,and the inovative tranny using the same oil for tranny and engine will not bode well for the life of the vehicle.My tranny slipped in cold weather,the Honda outboards have a belt drive on the cam,which is not good.Suzuki has a chain on their cams.THe reason Honda made money on cars is they did not over build what they thought they could sell.If you don't build them,you don't sell them.Honda makes some quality products,but all Hondas or not your dads Honda...they also make a sub-standard engine that is sold with a Honda name,that is put on power washers and such.Toyota sells more cars than any Jap company.Honda motorcycles lag behind also when it comes to new innovation.The flying couch,has had its problems with frame breaks,and now or starting to put fuel injection on some of its models. Honda has the skills,but for what ever reason,the new stuff doesn't measure up to their past performance.
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Offroad Maniac wrote:Rincon-newby wrote:After having ridden trails in Arkansas and in Missouri, mostly the baddest Black Diamonds we could find, I would have to say that I am now a proponent of adding Power Steering to a Utility quad. Four days of riding on steep up and down trails that require constant fighting of the handle bars to ride the right line, and while in 4x4 battling the torque steer. My shoulders were hurting, and my throttle thumb was beyond just simple pain. Still couldn't get enough tough trail riding. Many of it was very challenging, and you had to trust your machine that it would get you through the dangerous stuff. My older brother had bought the new Grizzly 700, but without the power steering added ($800 option), and did not like trail riding with it in 4x4. The Grizzly really is a handful to operate when in 4x4, and when locked, forget it. So he operated in 2 wheel drive and had to be super aggressive on his approach to all difficult climbs. One time it almost caused him to fall backward, end over end down a steep incline that would have been disastrous. By the grace of God. My younger brother and I kept telling him to get the grizzly with PS, but he was too cheap to get it. The Rincon was the easiest to handle in 4x4, but after four days of constant effort, even it was too much. Power steering has definitely grown in my estimation.
The Grizzly 700 with Power Steering ROCKS. I here the 550 now has it as an option also.
When Honda puts power steering on the Rincon, I will definitely update to the new power steering machine.
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snake oil wrote:I have owned many Hondas,and the inovative tranny using the same oil for tranny and engine will not bode well for the life of the vehicle.My tranny slipped in cold weather,the Honda outboards have a belt drive on the cam,which is not good.Suzuki has a chain on their cams.THe reason Honda made money on cars is they did not over build what they thought they could sell.If you don't build them,you don't sell them.Honda makes some quality products,but all Hondas or not your dads Honda...they also make a sub-standard engine that is sold with a Honda name,that is put on power washers and such.Toyota sells more cars than any Jap company.Honda motorcycles lag behind also when it comes to new innovation.The flying couch,has had its problems with frame breaks,and now or starting to put fuel injection on some of its models. Honda has the skills,but for what ever reason,the new stuff doesn't measure up to their past performance.
We already talked about why you had trouble with your Rincon transmission pwillie, it was because you were using the wrong type and viscosity oil. A synthetic 5-20 was the recommended oil and letting the engine warm a minute would take care of the problem. I have a belt timing chain on my Honda C-RV, and just replaced it after 90K miles according to maintenance suggestions. No problem there. I would still rather have a Honda outboard than a Suzuki, because of a longer track record of reliability. The crabbers here in costal Ga. all run with the Hondas for longevity. As for the Honda motorcycles, they don't sell the farm for just the sake of innivation, but they have been very innovative and have affected the market place with their innovation. Look at the new Honda 1000RR, which is the hottest new sport bike of this year. It will be the new standard for litre spot bike performance. Don't get me wrong about all the other manufacturers putting great products in the market, but I have to answer to your incorrect assumption on Honda products. So sue me.
On why Honda made money on their cars, has nothing to do with "LEAN" thinking, but with selling cars the public wanted. Toyota is the company that initially took up "LEAN" thinking, and still saw a sizeable drop in sales, and quarterly losses. Nothing against Toyota, but your analogy is vacuous(holds no water).
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I just think Honda in the past was a more responsible company than now.Suzuki outboards or used on mullet boats,here and have moved Honda out of most of the dealers in this area.Commercial use of an outboard is paramount in the ability for engineering prowness.Yamaha and Suzuki have taken over the mkt along the gulf coast.The weight of the Honda ratio,did more than anything to relieve Honda from the crown."RN".. I was a loyal user of Honda products for twenty years,but the later stuff they have produced is not the Honda of the past. The engines they produce today in quantity is not the same caliber that of yester year!I made the mistake of buying a power washer with a "Honda" engine,and thinking it was Honda,it would be a good buy.The most hard to start engine ever. I finally gave up and sold it. I asked my dealer what has happened to Honda,and he said the new stuff Honda was building for misc. power equipment ,was not the top of the Honda line,but more of a price item.
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